Supernatural Baby Detective

kenric (01:31.972) Yeah. Have I? Hey, it must have been a really long time ago when I was on. You've been you because you've been going for a while. Anyways. My name is Kenrick. I am a. Well, I have my own podcast called Spore the Country. It's been around for a little while now. And I have a Kickstarter app. And we're doing a comic book. kenric (02:00.808) called Supernatural Baby Detective, and it's been quite a lot of fun. So I'm out here trying to, you know, get the word out, get people to hustle, as they say, you know, chilling. Chillin'. So yeah, it's been an experience, to say the least. Saul (02:13.058) hustling. Greg (02:14.251) Yeah. Greg (02:18.717) Chillin'. Saul (02:27.494) Which would have you other than the comic book would have you been up to in the podcast, I guess kenric (02:34.408) Well, I don't know if some of your guys, some of your audience might know us because we had, well, we still have a network that has quite a few different podcasts on it. And you guys are on for a while. I don't, I'll be honest, I'm not sure if you're still being hosted through us or not. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Saul (02:56.654) Ye-yes, I hope so. Greg (02:59.504) Oh my gosh, this is the- Did we just get fired? Someone- Oh my god! Oh my- Turn in your badges, guys! Saul (03:01.362) Wait, is this how we're getting told? kenric (03:05.112) No, no, no. It's just that we've made so many changes to how we have people host their show through us. And so now you go straight to Castor, which is a company that hosts all our files, and submit your stuff just straight there, where instead of going to our website and doing all these things. And we made a lot of changes over the last year simply to make it. easier for one for the people who you know have their show and two for costs for us because it became an exorbitant amount of money for us to maintain a website with the amount of traffic that we had. We got up to the point where we're getting about 130,000 people a month on our yeah on yeah and so when you have that much your traffic tends to Greg (03:58.037) a lot. kenric (04:03.856) you have to get a virtual server, you have to expand, contrast based on traffic needs, it becomes a whole thing. And so we just didn't want to disappear overnight. So we made a lot of drastic changes to make it easy for you and for everybody else, which is just being able to go straight to Castos. I said castor, but it's called castos. And you're able to just. kenric (04:39.644) upload your video. I'm a little tired, so I'm gonna apologize if I'm a little slow. You just be able to upload your video or your audio and go. So it's easy for me because we have like 20 different people on now on the network and we just try to make it easy. And for us, for Spoiler Country specifically, the podcast, you know, we started in 2017 and we started slow. It was just Johnny and I just doing... you know, talking about comic books, talking about just... I don't... do you swear on your show? Is it a big deal? I don't know. Saul (05:16.732) Oh no, go ahead. kenric (05:18.42) Okay, we just, you know, we just kept the shit real chill. You know, and we started doing interviews and it just kind of ratcheted up where it became where we were doing an interview almost every day. And literally within from 2017 to 2020, end of 2021, we had released over 800 episodes. And it's that's a ridiculous amount. And we just got. Greg (05:22.144) Bad word, bad word. kenric (05:47.688) really burnt out at the end of last year. So we just started to be like, okay, well, we're both kind of burnt out. We have a lot of stuff going on because we both have full-time jobs in the corporate world. So it was just time to take a step back. And that step back took a lot longer than we anticipated. So we both started working on other projects. I started, I've been thinking about this project I'm working on now that we're... going to talk about today for the last two, three years. kenric (06:24.476) And so I was like, you know, I'm just we're not doing the show right now. I'm going to write I'm going to write this. So I did. So I wrote it out and planned it out and got the got an artist, got everything going on and yeah, and so now we have our show coming back. But we're revamping it, kind of concentrating on more indie creators and being a little bit less. It's kind of funny. We used to put out a show. You get five, ten thousand listens. pretty quick and now we get, you know, 50. So it's a whole new world, but it's. Saul (06:56.321) Hehehe Greg (07:00.556) Dude, so he gets 50 listens. kenric (07:02.776) Yeah, dude. Be jealous. Do it. Yeah. Saul (07:05.838) when you get fit to listen to 50 episodes. Greg (07:10.172) I got 50 devices so I can get us to listen. Saul (07:12.182) Hehehehe kenric (07:14.825) So yeah, we just, we just, you know, now we're just trying to keep it more. Saul (07:20.194) manageable. kenric (07:21.036) Yeah, manageable and more fun. You know, it's weird when a hobby becomes a job. You know, and yeah, it just turned into not being fun anymore. So we, you know, took a step back, revamped, and now we're back out here trying to do something different and it's a lot more fun. Greg (07:29.164) jobby. Saul (07:41.342) I think we do that almost every once a month so No Yeah, no the thing is what you know, I think one recording one episode a week is It's hard enough I can't imagine recording that many episodes in that the short amount of time because just Just the whole Going back and editing or going back and making sure it sounds great and all that kenric (07:46.487) Nothing like that. Greg (08:10.806) Yeah. kenric (08:11.313) Yeah. Saul (08:11.655) Just the editing part just takes twice as long as the episode it does takes itself takes to record. kenric (08:17.372) Yeah, well, there's some tips and tricks you can do nowadays with AI. Well, not AI. It's, um, descript uses an AI engine to decut, to transcribe your stuff. And then what you're doing is just editing on a Word document. So you can go through and you can know, Oh, I can take out all those Saul (08:33.247) Mm-hmm. kenric (08:46.652) in two seconds. And then you can go in and say, okay, I wanna, we talked from this point to this point about this, I wanna take that out. You can just highlight it, just like a Word doc, delete it, it's gone. And they do video, and so it got, it did make that nice because it took the editing down from two, three hours on an hour episode to 15 minutes. Yeah. Greg (09:11.072) Yeah. Saul (09:12.277) Wow. Take a look at that. kenric (09:13.52) Yeah, it's called Descript. I think they have, they have, I think if you're only doing like one episode, if you're only doing one episode a month, if you will, if you do a podcast and you're out there and you're only doing like one episode a month, Descript is a great thing because I believe it's free at that point. Saul (09:27.926) Hmm. We're gonna have to ratchet down the amount of episodes coming out. Greg, go ahead. Greg (09:29.512) Hmm. kenric (09:33.62) Yeah, I can show you too. So if you ever want to if you ever want to see how we did it, I'd be more than happy to walk you through it. Greg (09:34.478) Well, I mean, yeah, you, you... Saul (09:42.54) Mm-hmm. Yeah, the problem comes from, because the problem comes from talking to creators who are on Kickstarter, right? Not necessarily that's an issue, but because they're on Kickstarter, I wanna try to get it out as soon as possible. And that's where the, I guess the stress comes in. I'm like, oh man, am I gonna get it out before this Kickstarter even ends? Sometimes, most of the time I think we're able to do so within a week or so, but. kenric (10:01.511) Yeah. kenric (10:09.969) Right. Saul (10:14.762) Then there's other times where you've already talked to some people you have so many episodes already like lined up And then all of a sudden hey, I have a Kickstarter Zinnia next week. Can you get me in? kenric (10:19.913) Oh. Yeah. Greg (10:21.137) Mm-hmm. kenric (10:26.288) Yeah, so we do video now, like everything's with video now. And that's the longest part. The audio portion takes me minutes to edit and be done. It's the, the video part because I go, cause I use final cut for my, for my video editing and that's the part that this is very riveting stuff for your audience members, but yeah. Greg (10:26.328) I was like, ugh. Greg (10:47.892) They love to see it. They love watching what you're talking about right now. This is amazing. Great audio. kenric (10:51.704) Yeah, they love watching. We're talking about video on an audio podcast. Yeah, but the video portion is what takes a while and that's just because I want to do different effects, you know, or I want to put in this overlay here or do that kind of stuff. Other than that, the audio portion, we got that down to minutes. I can show you too, anytime. Saul (10:56.482) Hehehehe Greg (10:58.368) Listeners, take note. Saul (11:17.078) nice. Yeah, that would definitely help a lot. I'm pretty sure Riverside has a way to do that as well. I think you just got to pay a little bit more for that option. kenric (11:21.821) Yeah. Greg (11:22.997) Yeah. kenric (11:27.409) Yeah. kenric (11:30.632) Yeah. Greg (11:31.322) So, so do you think I could use this on plates and trains as well? Saul (11:35.023) Only it's pleats and trains and people monsters. Greg (11:38.04) Plays chains of people monsters. I mean it's definitely doable Definitely doable. Oh My gosh, my world is just expanded by tenfold Saul (11:42.634) Hehehehe Saul (11:49.31) Well, we did ask Kenrick what he was up to and it looks like you've had a little bit of a took a little bit of a break from that podcast to do this new project we're going to be talking about today. The name of the project as soon as I saw it I'm like hey that sounds like I think I know what it's about but I want to go ahead and ask you supernatural baby detective. kenric (12:16.521) Yeah, it's kind of funny that name just kind of popped into my head during a podcast of all things. I don't remember who I was talking to. It's been a while. It's been like two or three years. But I love the name and it made me laugh. And I thought, well, I'll start. When I started writing on it, I started thinking it'd be like, look, who's talking with like a supernatural twist. Yeah. Greg (12:23.628) Hehehe Saul (12:41.725) That's exactly what I thought of. Greg (12:43.448) Right. kenric (12:44.196) Yeah, and it just did not. That's not what came out. So it's, I can't, the best thing to think about is like, if you are a fan of Mike Manola's Hellboy, or maybe John Constantine, and you, you know, read Hellblazer or even Constantine, or maybe you like Guillermo del Toro's style of storytelling. There's a good chance that this will be up your alley. I use Cthulhu as a backdrop for the psychosis. And yeah, it kinda just stems from there. It's been a lot of fun. It's been kind of a journey because I've written a lot of short stories and I've tried to start a prose. Multiple pros. I why do they call it a pros? I don't know for some reason like, you know Greg (13:48.348) In order to get done with it, you have to be pros. kenric (13:53.481) That's the best answer I've heard yet. Like legit. But uh. Saul (13:53.71) Good one. Greg (14:01.502) It's hard to do. It's hard to like sit there and like, oh man, okay, how long does it go? Is it this length? Is it this length? Am I done yet? I mean, there's a lot that goes into it and you just keep writing and writing and writing and you're like, it never ends because it's life. kenric (14:06.577) Thank you. kenric (14:13.094) Yeah. kenric (14:17.748) It never ends. I always get like through a chapter to two chapters and then I'm like, oh yeah, I'll go back to it. And then I never go back to it. And so I've had like all these started stories, all these started novels and never finished. And then I don't, do you remember when Johnny, a couple of years ago did the Einz Anthology, which was a horror book and he had all these people writing and I was like, I want to, I want to write something. And it kind of got my juices flowing. And so Saul (14:25.57) Hehehe Greg (14:37.705) Uh huh. Saul (14:38.167) Mm-hmm. Greg (14:46.761) Mm-hmm. kenric (14:50.601) I was going through and he had all these stories, but it was around Christmas time we were talking. I'm like, you don't have any holiday thing, you know? And Christmas, for whatever reason, is always steep and classic horror stories around Christmas time, you know? So you need a good holiday horror story. So I wrote the three page. Greg (15:08.428) Mm-hmm. kenric (15:17.056) just the three page Nancy Eynes Krampus Killer and So I and I told them I had said hey man, I'm gonna I'm gonna write this Christmas story called Nancy Eynes Krampus Killer and he was like, okay But then I went and hired Scott Gadleski who draws Superman and Batman and for DC and he did Copperhead I don't know if you ever read that series from image Saul (15:21.761) Mm-hmm. kenric (15:47.072) I absolutely fell in love with Copperhead, which was kind of like Firefly in a lot of ways because it's like Western in space. And yeah, anyways, this guy does, he's an amazing artist, right? It did have a short run. You know what's kind of funny? Because I think it was like 30 pages. Oh, you did? Oh, for which ones? For Nancy Eines? Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Greg (16:00.344) So I had a very short run. Ha ha ha. Saul (16:03.502) Hehehehehehe I actually asked for more of that story. Greg (16:09.384) Oh yeah. Saul (16:11.018) Yeah, I did. Yeah. kenric (16:16.48) So I hired Scott and I didn't give Johnny a chance to say no. Saul (16:24.614) Hehehehehehe Greg (16:25.181) Yeah, you have to not give that dude a chance to say no. You just have to do it. kenric (16:28.004) Yeah, so I was like, hey dude, here's my story. Oh, by the way, here's this like, I paid a shit ton of money to have this professional artist draw it for me, here you go, done. And he was like, oh, I guess this is in my book now. Which was great, I was like, okay, cool. And so, but. Greg (16:43.256) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Saul (16:43.342) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe kenric (16:50.052) It got some good reviews from people who actually read it, and that makes me happy that you actually asked for more because that means I was on the right track. And I just wanted something fun that was, that was, you know, I only had three pages. He told me before I started, he was like, it can only be three pages. I'm like, okay, yeah. Because I could expand that to a full 24, like no problem. Greg (17:06.86) You only got three pages, kid. Make them count. Saul (17:13.942) Well, when I asked, I believe, I had to go back to the episode, but I believe he did promise that we're gonna get more of it. So now you're in the hook. kenric (17:20.172) Oh, really? There you go. I'll do more of that. She was, that was a fun, that was a fun one. He wanted me to have Santa be a, an elf. Like an, uh, like an elf that works for Santa being the thing. And I'm like, no, it has to be, I needed it to be Santa. Cause it just was more fun that way. Cause it's always, it's never Santa. So it's like, he's got to be in there. He's got to be, he's got to be the man in the chair. And, um, yeah. So. Greg (17:22.056) Yeah. Saul (17:40.63) Hehehehe Greg (17:44.629) Hehehehe kenric (17:48.692) That actually helped getting me, I was like, oh, I can do this. And then I read Neil Gaiman's, How to Write Comic Books, his master class, and he puts that on for free because that section. And I was like, oh, are you literally telling me that I can just like grab some paper and draw out my boxes and then write my scenes to my boxes? And so I can't. So I do, I use PowerPoint like almost every day at work. So that's the tool I have. So I brought up my PowerPoint, started writing out, changed my page sizes to modern comic book, started making my boxes, and then I just wrote my script within that because I could kind of get a feeling. And there you go. Yeah. Saul (18:36.455) So there you go guys if you know PowerPoint you can you can script for kenric (18:40.112) You too. Yeah. It's the wave of the future. Greg (18:41.568) Yeah. It's the way of the future. Greg (18:47.828) I mean, I write books in Excel, so, you know, hey, PowerPoint, Excel, marry him up. Yes, E, but you write on the toilet, so. Saul (18:53.842) I use notepad. kenric (18:58.233) Well, it's just funny because when I got some advice and I sent it to some editors while I was still writing it out and I sent it to them in PowerPoint and they're like, is this fucking PowerPoint? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, because it does feel like she's and most of them are like, I've just I've never seen this. This is like, but then one of them was like, I don't understand why I don't see this more. This makes it so easy. And I'm like, Saul (19:11.838) in Comic Sans. Greg (19:13.77) Oh yeah. kenric (19:24.688) Well, yeah, it has all my pages on the left and I can do whatever layout I want. I just have to build my layout. Greg (19:32.904) That's a selling point to me, so... kenric (19:35.388) Yeah, it's easy. So I was like, yeah, there you go, boom. Instead of using Scrivener and all these other things that are out there that are made for writing, I'm forcing round pegs into square holes. Greg (19:44.397) Mm-hmm. Greg (19:49.644) There you go, do it, smack em down! Wait, I mean, we want... Pfft kenric (19:52.742) Yeah. Saul (19:54.486) Wait, that actually would be easier though than square pegs and round holes. Greg (19:59.424) Yeah. Me and him round. kenric (20:00.664) All right. Well, eggs and square holes. I don't know. Saul (20:05.922) So let's talk about the people who are working on this. I think you have someone weirdo in there. Greg (20:14.452) Yeah, there's a dude. kenric (20:15.068) Yeah, I got this guy named Greg that is help editing and help managing and putting in the hours because Kickstarter is a... it's weird. When you see it and you hear about it, you're like, oh, that's kind of cool. But then when you're actually putting one together and it's super stressful, there's a lot of tiny moving parts that no one tells you what's what or how to do things because it's not like there's a manual. I guess there are people that have written out how to do this in manuals, but it's just, you start reading and you're just, it's a daunting task, you know? You need a guide, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of heavy lifting. Greg (20:57.62) Yeah, you need a guide, like a Sherpa, not a book. Saul (21:07.455) like in The Simpsons where they do all the work. Greg (21:09.496) Yeah. Oh wait, I didn't, I mean, I wasn't trying to say that I was... .. Saul (21:13.09) Ha ha kenric (21:14.996) I would almost be willing, I actually have to think once this one's done and I hope to God that I'm able to fund, which we're a third of the way there in three days, we're a third of the way there, which is great. Yeah. I actually think about hiring somebody to do the second, to set up the second one for the second issue because it's just so much work. And it's Greg (21:22.408) Yeah. Yeah! That's tremendous. Greg (21:37.484) But once you've done it once you can do it twice. It's I mean you've already got the template down dude Good to go kenric (21:41.796) Yeah, that's just true. This is true. I just, you know, it can make home life very stressful because, you know, after your corporate gig and then family and then kid and then trying to keep, and then juggling all that and then kickstart on top of all that, it can be stressful. So Greg has helped me navigate all of those waters because these waters are not still. Greg (21:58.368) Yeah. kenric (22:10.344) They are choppy choppy. Saul (22:12.386) So are we gonna see Greg eat a chicken out of a can for the kicker? Greg (22:18.376) No, no, no. No, oh my god, no, no. That was one of the worst things I've ever done. Just when you said it, I just- Because we needed money for the Kickstarter. No, I don't know. I'm an idiot. I do stupid stuff sometimes. Greg eats dumb shit. So I chickened out of a cake. kenric (22:19.891) Oh, is that on the table? Saul (22:21.646) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe kenric (22:30.372) Why did you do that to yourself? kenric (22:41.228) Yeah, that sounds like a YouTube show waiting to happen. Craig eats dumb shit. Greg (22:48.681) Um, I've got a whole bunch of stuff lined up for the next week, but, um, not... It'll help you and Starlight, but, and the shop, but, uh, yeah, chicken from a can is so gross. No, I will not do that for this story. I think you're doing just fine. I don't need to. kenric (23:06.88) So far we're doing alright. Greg (23:08.44) Not until, not unless you're like, you know, at day 27 and you're... kenric (23:14.424) How much did you get out of that though? How many people signed up? Greg (23:19.116) There was a lot of people that wanted to see it and then as soon as I did it there was a lot of people that felt bad that they watched it. Dollar amount I don't know, I can't remember. It was, it was, it was, yeah, it's, get my own channel, only Greg's, only eating weird stuff, people will pay. Saul (23:25.845) Hehehehe kenric (23:29.812) two Griggs in a cup. Saul (23:34.83) to Greg's and a chicken. kenric (23:36.596) Two grigs and a chicken. kenric (23:41.242) only. Saul (23:45.174) I will routinely send Greg a meme with like weird food and say like, there you go for your next Kickstarter. Greg (23:52.86) Some stuff looks okay, some stuff is like, I don't know. kenric (23:53.8) Yeah. Oh, sugar. Saul (23:57.282) like the ranch style pop tarts. kenric (23:58.948) Yeah, yeah, dog is freaking out. So, Greg has been, but no, honestly, Greg, you've been a good guiding light. And I don't mean that in a funny way. I really honestly mean that because it's been, I don't think I would have got to this point without his help and his guidance because, yeah, if anybody out there thinking of doing this, doing a Kickstarter, just be prepared, it's a lot of work. Greg (23:59.785) Yeah, I mean... Greg (24:28.54) Yeah, it's a team thing. You gotta build your team up and make sure that you got the support system. I mean, I think when we started talking about this few months back and you were like, I'm gonna do this and I was like, so who's your support system? Who's your check-in that's not directly involved on the project? And you're like, I don't have one. And I was like, I guess that's me now. Because you were sending me messages at all hours, which was fine. I mean. kenric (24:28.625) So. kenric (24:33.821) Yeah. kenric (24:45.725) Yeah. Saul (24:50.798) Hehehehehehe kenric (24:51.952) Hahaha! Greg (24:56.128) We're friends, so I don't care. kenric (24:56.196) Yeah. Well, I always figure I can be bad about that because I was thinking, well, it's just texting. You ignore it. And you know, but it's two o'clock in the morning, dude. Greg (25:03.36) Yeah. Greg (25:08.084) I mean I get up at three so it's okay. Saul (25:10.274) Well, here's what really gets me with Greg. It says, I'll send Greg something at around eight o'clock. I'm in Central Town, so I'm two hours ahead of y'all. All of a sudden, I get a reply at two o'clock in the morning. And then it's like three hours later, we're here recording. I'm like, what the heck are you doing, Greg? Don't you sleep? kenric (25:17.586) Yeah. Greg (25:19.128) Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha kenric (25:20.531) Yeah. kenric (25:26.376) Hehehehe Greg (25:30.872) I'm gonna go. kenric (25:31.66) Yeah, he's a robot. Greg (25:33.716) I don't, I honestly don't. Like, like yesterday, it was a blur. And then when they were like, oh yeah, we're doing the wine walk and then we're drinking and then we're gonna go do some karaoke afterwards. I was like, but I got a podcast at six in the morning. You don't gotta work. I'm like, I gotta open the store afterwards. No, no. So. Saul (25:51.594) Yep, you're gonna be sleeping in the back. kenric (25:53.731) Six in the morning. Greg (25:55.172) I honestly felt like, yeah, I didn't just walk back across the street, open up the store. I was like, if I just had an air mattress, I'd just sleep in the back of the store. But I had to come home, dogs, grandma, all that stuff. So in this, I can't podcast out of the store. I've tried before. It sucks. kenric (26:11.544) There you go. So Greg. And then I have Ramza Sandoval, who's out of the Yucatan. And I found Ram on Facebook, of all places. I needed an artist. I'm going through. I can't hire someone from DC and Marvel every time I want to write a comic book, because Greg (26:14.006) Yes. kenric (26:40.464) Yeah, because you hire somebody like Scott Godleski, it's like $200 a page. Yeah, and so it was like, can't afford that. And honestly, that Marvel DC style just doesn't, I don't think would fit for the story very well. I mean, I say that, but it probably would. But I don't think it would. And Ram, he's awesome. Saul (26:47.158) Holy moly. Greg (26:48.129) Yeah. Greg (27:01.153) Mm-mm. kenric (27:10.956) And his style is very much in the Mike McNola vein. You know, it's not Mike McNola. You're not gonna confuse him with Mike McNola, but very similar in the way that they present and the lines that they do, if that makes sense. And so I felt like I got really lucky, and I sent him the script and he really wanted to be a part of it. He liked it. It's kind of weird when you go out there and you have a book, you have a project, and you're looking for an artist. That community is hungry. And so it can be a little daunting trying to pick somebody out because you feel like you're, I don't know how, Greg, how you felt, because I know you've been in this situation where you're trying to find the right fit. And the amount of times you have to say no over yes can be a little harrowing because you know, you don't want to disappoint and you don't want to hurt people. And you're basically giving them an opinion, which is just your own stuck up opinion about their work. And they're like, hey, look at, this is what I can do for you. And look at all the stuff that I do. And they're out there really putting themselves out there. And then you're just kind of. Greg (28:16.437) Yeah. kenric (28:36.98) picking and choosing what you want. It's a weird, it always kind of weirds me out. Greg (28:42.632) I think the worst part, I'm gonna just say the worst part is like if you do say yes and you find out that it doesn't, it's not a good fit, it's really difficult to part ways sometimes because then you're, you already, like if you've already been doing this, you've built that relationship, the kinship, whatever, and you're like... kenric (28:48.061) Yeah. kenric (28:51.89) Yeah. Saul (28:52.702) Mm-hmm. kenric (28:57.105) Yeah. kenric (29:03.602) Yeah. Greg (29:05.684) I want to say percentage wise, right? You're like 15 to 20% of whatever the project is, is complete. You're like, do we complete, do we just keep going? 15, 20%, it's really small, but at the same point, it's a really large, big investment for the two of you. Do you kill it? Do you stop it, find somebody else, or do you just let it go? Or do you just kill the whole thing? kenric (29:26.244) I think you stop it. Yeah, I think you need to stop it because you, the art might be, I mean, the person doing the lines and the pencil and the inking or the pencils might be fantastic just not fitting your vision. Greg (29:43.392) Yeah. Saul (29:45.046) Well, that's what happened with Mike Tanner, I remember when they did that Ragnarok. The album actually released with one artist and then when they went to the second issue, they went with another artist and they just like, you know, we like this style more. And they actually went back and on issue, I don't know if it was issue two or issue three, but they went back and redrew the first issue because they felt like that one was more. Greg (29:52.412) Oh yeah, yeah. Greg (30:07.745) everything. stylistically. Saul (30:12.214) Dialysically, so they made they went back and we did issue one so that they can it can match the rest of them Greg (30:17.769) Yeah. kenric (30:18.788) Yeah, well, I got I asked for I gave them a scene, you know, and I asked a bunch of people, hey, if you can give me something similar to this so I can have an idea. Some people just gave me a bunch of their own stuff. I had a few people that just aren't ready. They're just not ready. You know, yeah, they don't. Yeah, they don't know the background stuff or the different poses. Greg (30:40.407) Oh, yeah, you get that. You do get that. kenric (30:48.772) I had one guy tell me that they were like one of the best duos out there and then he sent me all their stuff and... I hate to say it like this way, but it literally seemed like a kid drew, like somebody who was in fifth grade that is a really good artist for fifth grade and has a lot of talent and is going to be great one day. But yeah, just wasn't there. But they boasted themselves up so much. I had these high expectations and it was like, oh, that's not what I was thinking at all. Greg (31:23.556) Um, my grandma says I'm a really good artist and I'm surprised you turned me down. But thanks for bringing me back into the fold on the other aspect. Saul (31:27.672) So, so let me ask you this. So let me ask you this, if you do you think it would have been a different thing if they hadn't tucked themselves up? You think that? kenric (31:27.837) Yeah. kenric (31:31.376) Yeah. Greg (31:38.232) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe kenric (31:40.26) Yeah, would it be a different thing if they haven't taught themselves up? Saul (31:45.63) Yeah, so if you received it, you're like, oh, this is a lot better than I expected. kenric (31:49.02) You know what, okay, you know what? Actually, I think if they didn't talk themselves up the way they did, they could probably actually get more work in different styles of genre, different genre and different formats, you know? Like if someone is going for a Teletubby look, they'd be great, you know? But going for like, I didn't tell people the name of the project because if you hear Supernatural Baby Detective, you're not gonna think. Saul (31:59.633) Mm. Greg (32:09.206) Okay. Saul (32:20.534) like regrets. kenric (32:20.852) Um, yeah, you're going to think rugrats. Exactly. You're not going to think lovecraft, you know, our style horror. Yeah. You can think boss baby. You can think rug. Actually boss baby would actually work for this. The art style would work just fine. Rugrats would not, I don't think, but, um, maybe, but you know, in my mind, it doesn't work. So, you know, anyway, but Ram kind of just was just, he just. Greg (32:25.454) baby. Saul (32:27.415) Yeah. Greg (32:31.925) Yeah. Greg (32:36.96) Maybe. Greg (32:40.552) Yeah. kenric (32:48.532) kept coming to the top. And the thing is, is that he was, his communication was really good and I'm a big person on communication. Like if you don't communicate, and if you're somebody that takes 30 years to get in between communications, we're just not gonna gel, you know? And I'm not gonna have a good time working with you so I'm gonna be like, nah, I gotta move on. And I'll take risks with people that are able to. Greg (33:05.249) Mm-hmm. kenric (33:17.724) be upfront and thorough and yeah, and communicate, and Ram is all that. He's willing to take risks and he'll talk about things and he can take direction. He doesn't get offended and overly sensitive about anything, which is good because I can tend to be blunt. So it worked out really, really well. And I love his art style, so it's been really good. Yeah. Greg (33:38.932) It is... yeah, it's nice. It's a good marriage. Saul (33:42.882) So I wanted to ask you about that. Did you already kind of have an idea of how you wanted our style to look or is it something, just let it. kenric (33:49.58) I, you know what, I really love Mike Mignola, Hellboy, and his art is fantastic, and his storytelling is fantastic. So I love that art style. It's different than what you see out of DC and Marvel, even though he's done quite a bit for those companies, but it's still different enough that when you see something that he's done, you know it. You're like, oh, that's McNullet. It's like Ben Templesmith, right? Another person that I love reading his work and his art style. So I wanted somebody that could do some serious stuff, but at the same time have that edge of something different that you're like, oh, I recognize that that's who that is. And so in my mind, I wanted somebody that I thought that could fulfill that. Saul (34:51.21) If I didn't misunderstand, the name kind of came up as a joke or how did that come around? Because you said it kind of came up during the podcast. Now was that done as a bit or something? kenric (35:03.064) No, it was weird. So I'm in the bag for supernatural stories, especially ones that are around detectives. So I love Constantine. I love Hellboy. There's a series of books called Sandman Slim by an author named Richard Kadri. He was literally like my first or second interview that I ever did in my life for the podcast. Greg (35:09.741) Hehehe kenric (35:29.892) and I read all the books and I loved it. And I just reached out to him and he's like, yeah, I'll come on. And we had this great conversation. But I love that style of storytelling because it's very much like a noir style. When I was growing up, I loved The Big Sleep, I love Humphrey Bogart, I loved all those old classic movies. And we were on the podcast. Greg (35:50.572) Mmm. kenric (35:58.1) I can't remember what we were talking about because it's been a while. It was 800 episodes ago. And yeah, like literally. And we, yeah, it's supernatural. So I just love that whole genre stuff. And I was like, oh, supernat detective. And I was like, supernatural detective. And then I was talking, it might've been Michael Tanner actually, Greg, which is funny. And I said, supernatural baby detective. And it just made me laugh. Saul (36:02.83) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Greg (36:02.968) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Greg (36:23.646) Uh. kenric (36:28.584) And I was like, that's a dumb ass title, but it stuck with me. You know, it just, I kept saying it and it stuck with me and then, uh, yeah. And then I started outlining it and I had an idea and then, yeah. And then when I sat down to write it. Saul (36:28.674) Hehehehehehe Greg (36:28.984) Hehehe Greg (36:32.384) Yeah. Saul (36:43.55) It's like, uh, look who's private investigating. kenric (36:46.736) Yeah, he's trying to investigate. Oh, that's the title of my third episode, third issue. Yeah, so it was it was it just kind of came out of there. Greg (36:47.104) Yeah Greg (36:51.916) Look who's fighting Cthulhu now. Saul (36:54.822) There you go, look who's fighting Cthulhu. Saul (37:04.866) So you want to give us the elevator pitch of Supernatural Bugs B Detective? kenric (37:12.488) Sure, let me um So actually well before I do that can I can I tell you about the uh Because I have two more people that I need to bring up. Yeah, that's fine So I When I started working on it, I sent Johnny Horsley the guy for people who don't know is my he's actually my nephew He's married to my niece and then we yeah total nepotism, but Saul (37:22.355) Oh yeah. Greg (37:35.5) nepotism. Saul (37:37.07) Hehehehe kenric (37:40.124) we started Spoiler Country together and then he did the Iron's Anthology. So when I wrote this and he read the script, he kind of said, okay, I'm gonna, I wanna be a part of this. And I was like, okay. And I always worry, you always worry when you have friends and family start doing things because you wanna be able to control with an iron fist and then it's kind of hard to do that when you have to be sensitive, but they're everything. But he was, yeah. Greg (38:01.912) I'm sorry. Greg (38:06.252) But you're dealing with Johnny, so I mean, you can. No, no. kenric (38:10.4) He was great and he's colored. And it actually helped because he colored for free, which was, yeah, which is huge. And the thing is it always makes you nervous because when you have somebody like family doing something and they're like, oh, I just wanna do it, you know. Well, then you're like, okay, but when I have a deadline, you're like, well, I'm doing it for free. So, you know what I mean? That attitude starts to be like, oh my God, am I gonna have to deal with that? Greg (38:16.504) Wait, what? Saul (38:17.358) I don't know, that's always good. Greg (38:20.344) taking notes. Greg (38:32.684) Ha ha ha. kenric (38:36.7) didn't have to at all. He did the work and he did a fantastic job. He did. He's a good artist. He's good at the stuff that he tries to do. So that's always fun. And then I have a mutual friend that knows Richard Starkings. And Richard Starkings is the letterist. He's an Eisner award-winning letterist. He was the guy that worked on the killing joke with Alan Moore. He's done a bunch of stuff with Alan Moore actually. Saul (39:04.491) Mm. kenric (39:06.904) and he's done The Elephant Man and a bunch of stuff. And he read the script and said, hey, I totally wanna letter your book for you. And when he said that, I was like, yes, please. And done. And that was a huge, for lack of a better term, a huge get, even though it just kind of fell in my lap. Because I don't know, yeah. I don't know if you know, lettering can make or break a book in a lot of ways. Saul (39:21.25) Hehehe Greg (39:30.72) It's huge. Greg (39:35.416) Definitely. Saul (39:36.663) Mm-hmm. kenric (39:37.02) You can't read the book and understand the flow that's happening. And, or if the letter placement and the balloon and thought placement is just off, uh, it just ruins everything. Greg (39:50.172) I mean you could sit there and try to letter it all with you know some program and put it all in there But then your book just kind of looks like your first version Just check it out I know, I know kenric (39:57.924) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you kidding? No, that's so true. So I lettered the whole thing in PowerPoint using word balloons, it's all the ways out of PowerPoint. And then like typing it all out and I like put in the chatter. I found a font called chatter box, which is the font they used in like 1950s crime magazine, cause I was like, I wanted to be noir as possible. And Saul (39:59.266) Hehehehe .. Saul (40:11.618) Hehehe kenric (40:26.84) It works. I mean, it's there. You can read it and it makes sense. But yeah, there's a there's a big difference between what I did and what Richard Starkings does. Yeah. Greg (40:34.92) Yeah, it's giant. It's huge. When you put the two, I've done a side to by side and I'm like, I was so glad that you had this opportunity to work with greatness because you, you're exactly, yeah, to sacrifice. Is that what you're talking about, Saul? Because we would have to, we would really have to get that, that three grand. We have like a couple of chickens. kenric (40:40.021) I'm sorry. Saul (40:46.974) It minimizes the need of a chicken. kenric (40:49.456) Yeah. Oh, it was so bad. Saul (40:54.427) There you go, yeah. kenric (40:57.188) So, yeah. Well, lettering is not my forte, that is for sure. But you know what's sad, Greg, is I've read books that looked a lot worse on the lettering than what I did in PowerPoint. Greg (41:08.628) and they're professional books put out by major publishers, so yeah. I'm not gonna... I've seen some stuff. And when you know what you're looking for, sometimes your eye can see it. kenric (41:12.673) Yeah. Saul (41:22.094) Hehehe kenric (41:23.1) I've seen it all out. Greg (41:30.356) It's not that, like, I just know certain things or what they are. You know, after being, having people point things out, like Tom Walrachowski has pointed out things, and I'm like, oh, okay, that makes sense as to why the lettering looks funny. kenric (41:44.344) Yeah, so Supernatural Baby Detective is a 24 page noir based lovecraftian comedy horror. It's got twists and turns. You should be having a little bit of recoil on some things. You should be laughing hopefully. At least I laugh through it and wondering what's going to be happening next. You know, if you... supernatural detective series like Hellblazer or maybe Hellboy and then maybe you like to wash it down with the view of Guillermo del Toro's pan this is right up your alley Saul (42:23.892) Mm-hmm. kenric (42:30.408) What are you laughing at, Greg? Saul (42:32.246) I was waiting for Greg to say something. Greg (42:34.182) I was gonna say, as you scroll through, you can see you have a love for the holidays and it shows in Supernatural Baby Detective. Because you go from your Christmas story to an Easter story. You're a Christmas Easter guy. kenric (42:43.373) Oh kenric (42:47.32) Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a couple things I was gonna do because I grew up super Roman Catholic. My family is, I do not, I am not, I'm agnostic. But I was gonna do some things that were, yeah, but I just kind of decided not to do it because it just. Greg (43:09.792) Symbiote, symbolic? Yeah. kenric (43:17.524) Because if you're going to do symbolism, then I want the symbolism to be throughout, and I want it to be consistent and for it to make sense. And I didn't want to make that commitment. Greg (43:22.824) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Saul (43:28.008) Hehehehe Greg (43:28.961) It's a lot of Easter eggs. And no pun intended because you have an Easter bunny in your book. But it's a lot to do. kenric (43:30.717) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. You know what? I didn't notice that my last story was Christmas and then this one is Easter. I totally did not even notice that. That's hilarious. Greg (43:42.747) It's all about her. Saul (43:45.13) next issue would be Father's Day or something like that. kenric (43:48.432) Yeah, it'll be... Fourth of July. Greg (43:48.82) Well actually, you know, I mean, it could be a father's day or a mother's day because or... You know what holiday doesn't get enough talk about and just not enough service? Arbor Day. I've been saying it for years. People need to talk about Arbor Day in which we plant trees. Yeah, save the trees. Save the baby. Save the world. Saul (43:52.046) There you go. kenric (44:02.044) FireBridgeHead. Save the trees. Saul (44:11.266) but groundhog day. kenric (44:11.52) Save the baby, save the world. That's your whole thing. Arbor Day, save the trees, save the baby, save the world. Greg (44:21.684) Yeah, yeah, book three, book two. Saul (44:24.47) How about Groundhog Day? What's the name of that? Groundhog? Phil? Yeah, he's had enough of it and he goes Baby versus a Groundhog kenric (44:26.916) Can't hold it. Greg (44:28.952) uh... folks are if you're post-it uh... yeah Greg (44:38.476) Gosh Which one would eat the other one It'd be like a mecha like that not a man like a kaiju battle Saul (44:43.982) I don't know anything. Saul (44:49.484) You wouldn't even have to just like have him fight over in a little play set. and that's your KU vital. Greg (44:57.635) BWAH Saul (45:01.322) Anyways, Supernatural Babies Detective. Greg (45:07.832) When you say the title it makes me laugh. kenric (45:12.346) So we're great kept saying supernatural baby killers. Greg (45:14.876) Yeah, Supernatural Baby Killers. I think that sounds awesome. Now I want to write a book just about Supernatural Baby Killers. They're Supernatural Babies, but they're killers. Not that they're going after Supernatural Babies and they're killers. Saul (45:15.179) Hehehehe kenric (45:20.34) There you go. You should. kenric (45:25.46) killers. Or not that one person's a supernatural and they're killing babies. Greg (45:31.38) Yeah, that's weird. Although that's be an interesting book. I don't know, lots of good one. kenric (45:35.309) I mean... Knife to the head! Heheheheh! Heheheheheheh! Greg (45:40.511) Oh my. Saul (45:43.68) So what is issue one? kenric (45:46.44) So issue one is actually called Stillborn. And. Hell yeah. Greg (45:54.022) He's dead on arrival. kenric (45:55.476) Dead on a... Fuck, why did I call it that? It's like... So, issue one is you meet Frank Solomon and he's a down on his luck kind of private eye that is struggling. He has an assistant named Pearl who is like a daughter to him and she kind of basically helps him keep the lights on and runs his... Saul (46:00.27) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Greg (46:01.378) I don't know. kenric (46:25.204) runs the day to day. They're investigating a series of kidnappings that are happening. And through a book, Craig, I struggle with telling people this part because I don't know if going through it, one, it makes, I feel like it makes the book intriguing to actually read, kind of know what's going on. Greg (46:44.132) Yeah. But then it also tells them all the tea. kenric (46:48.788) Yeah, it kind of spills out that tea quite a bit, but. Greg (46:52.824) you just tell him that they uh... he goes on a quick little detective joint and then it goes sideways kenric (47:02.432) It does. It goes very much sideways. And we are set in a Lovecraftian style setting. And for people who don't know, that is H.P. Lovecraft, who was a writer back in the 20s and wrote a whole mythos around old gods of chaos and madness. And the priests of the old gods is an entity called Cthulhu. which is actually, I think that's the wrong pronunciation that everybody says. Greg (47:35.436) Yeah, I don't think you can actually pronounce it. It's, you would have to, our vocal cords can't make the noises. What, what? Did you, you said Cthulhu? Whoa, Seoul, what do we do with people like that? So, what do we do with people like that? kenric (47:37.181) Yeah. kenric (47:40.732) Tulu or something. Yeah. It's like. Something like that. Whoa. Yeah. So I use Cthulhu as a backdrop. I want it to have the lore and some of the abilities to have that supernatural edge to it and some of the creatures. So. Saul (47:51.042) We need to end the episode now. Greg (47:53.64) Yeah, you guys get DELETE. kenric (48:15.192) Our main protagonist is a guy that's mad. And we gave him the moniker the Easter bunny because he dresses up in an Easter bunny outfit. And he's on the cover of the second, of the variant cover. And I needed somebody that is like, oh, okay. But if you see that in real life, you'd be like, that's fucking creepy. And that's a little much. And he's kidnapping kids and Frank is investigating him. And... Greg (48:37.469) Yeah. kenric (48:44.648) things kind of go awry when Frank comes, goes to his private island. And yeah, and we see deep ones, which is creatures from the deep that are kind of minions of Cthulhu. And it kind of goes from there. It's actually quite a bit of fun. I don't know, Saul, if you're... if you know any old Humphrey Bogart's like The Big Sleep or The Maltese Falcon. Okay, that's like very much what noir is, right? So we really wanted to, I really wanted to have that noir feel, especially for the walls for this first book, because in my mind, Frank is somebody that is kind of out of place, out of time. He's in his late 50s, early 60s. It's Saul (49:19.474) I can't say that I do. kenric (49:43.24) the late 90s. Matter of fact, I believe it's 1997, 1998, when everything is happening. And he wants to feel like it's still the 1950s, the 1940s, and that he is Humphrey Bogart. And that's how, when I wrote Frank, that's what I had in my mind, because I have met. people in my life that are very much like that. I think that they're like, it's the 1940s and it's a male dominated world and they still feel that way. So he's a little out of place. And so I wanted that first book to have that feeling. And because after this first book, things take a drastic turn. Very drastic. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Greg (50:30.132) It's bad kids, it's bad news bears. kenric (50:37.419) Yeah. God, man, it's a lot of fun. Matter of fact, if you want an advanced copy, let me know. I'll send you an advanced copy and you can read it. Saul (50:44.213) Awesome. Saul (50:48.114) I think is that the way is that for issue one? I think Greg already said it's my second look at it. Yeah. kenric (50:54.726) Nice. Greg (50:56.184) I cheated him. kenric (50:57.396) Nice, nice. Yeah, I like people to read it because I feel like if you just see the title and then the cover, the cover A, I had commissioned from a guy out of Egypt named Aladdin, Ahma Yanni. Greg (51:02.406) Thanks for watching! Saul (51:18.473) I think we're just setting up a joke. kenric (51:20.04) No. I wish. No. But it's funny because I explained to him what the book was. And he was one of the artists that wanted to do the book in the first place. Right. But his style just didn't fit. It just doesn't. But I wanted some of the realism to be there. And that's what Greg (51:21.46) Hahaha! kenric (51:49.928) But he had never heard of Cthulhu. He didn't know what that was. He didn't know the, he didn't know anything about it. And so I sent him all this literature and pictures of it. And he was like, oh, okay. And I said, now I need him to be holding a baby with wearing a fedora. And he was like, okay. But when he sent me, he knocked it out of the park. Saul (52:07.726) Hehehe Saul (52:13.59) That's actually a good cover. I'm looking at it right now. kenric (52:17.376) Oh, nice. Yeah. And so it kind of gives you it makes you laugh because to me it made me laugh because it's so outlandish. But at the same time, I've never seen somebody draw a Cthulhu holding a baby. And then at the and then at the same time, it's like, OK, there's some shit going on in this book. And I feel like it kind of holds all the things. It kind of. Brings a lot of it together. Greg (52:23.8) Mm-hmm. Greg (52:41.76) makes it happen. kenric (52:42.992) It makes it happen. Secret sauce. Greg (52:46.57) Ooh. Saul (52:46.966) So I guess I can see what you're saying about the art style because the art style, it's a really nice cover and all, but it takes away from the style that you're looking for, I guess for it to be the whole book. kenric (52:52.871) Yeah. kenric (52:59.716) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think if you went through the book, I don't think if you read the story that the art, that particular art style, which is, like again, it's fantastic, but I don't think if you read the book with that art style that it would have, the impact would just be so different and it would be too much, I feel like. It'd be like, well, this is not, I don't know. I think it would be too much to... deal with on your senses. Greg (53:30.38) Oh yeah. I like the animated feel, I guess, the other art that rammed in. kenric (53:39.556) Yeah. Ram is very much he loves Japanese anime. He loves kawaii. He's he's into wrestling. Like he's a huge wrestling fan. He's just a big dork and I love it. You know, I love him for it. And he really is. And he's got like he's got long hair and he and he gives you like brooding eyes. So he's got you know, he's just this handsome like Mexican dude that just Greg (53:45.365) Mm-hmm. Greg (53:53.464) Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha kenric (54:08.432) loves comics and loves doing all this stuff. And he just fits into our little group. And yeah, it just really worked out. And you can see Ram's cover is our variant cover. And we do a variant cover because Ram really wanted to have an EC horror book feel to his cover. So he did like terror on the side and he did different font for the supernatural baby detective and It fit, you know different color scheme and he did everything like cover a the one that you're looking at saw with From Aladdin Johnny actually colored it and he did a fantastic job coloring it because it that green that he did Cthulhu and the red eyes And the texture and everything look it turned out really well but on the variant cover, Ram did everything, the colors, everything, and he was like, I'm trying to figure out what I wanna do, and he goes, I wanna do an EC style horror. book and cover and I was like okay. I said well let's look at a couple things and maybe you can get inspired so I sent him the cover of Iron Maiden Killers. The album. And he loved it. He was like, this is, so he did an homage to Iron Maiden killers using the Easter bunny as Eddie. Saul (55:35.659) Hehehehehehe kenric (55:37.476) Yeah, and it looks cool. It looks cool. Saul (55:43.522) Now, let's talk about the project itself. As of right now, as 26 days ago, like we said earlier, it's about a third of the way, a little bit more than a third of the way funded. What can, just a second, real quick. I do have another interview at 9.30, so I guess we need to, not necessarily wrap up, but before that. But yeah. kenric (56:07.454) Wrap up. Greg (56:08.601) We talk too much. kenric (56:11.197) Yeah. Saul (56:13.13) Let's talk about the Kickstarter. What can people expect to be able to pick up through the pledging? kenric (56:22.268) Yeah, so we got a lot of different awards. You can, of course, just do cover A, which is the Aladdin cover with Cthulhu Hold the Baby, or you can just do cover B, which is Ram's cover. We have Deep One pins, which I thought, I thought I was doing this unique thing that no one else is doing, come to find out everybody does pins, because I'm an idiot, but they're cool. There's a lot of detail in them, which they turned out really, Saul (56:44.407) I'm sorry. kenric (56:51.516) Well done. So we have pins. We have a Ron Randall exclusive print, which I was really, really happy with. So John is friends with Ron personally. They, you know, they're personal friends, which is great. And John goes, hey Ron, I think you might like this, sent him the story. Ron read the book, he loved it. He was like, yup, this is awesome. And he did this amazing Deep One print. Saul (57:09.067) Mm-hmm. kenric (57:20.696) with a deep one drinking a goblet of blood out of a wine glass. Saul (57:24.898) Kind of reminds me of what Greg was doing yesterday. Greg (57:27.592) Yeah, yeah, pretty much. kenric (57:27.652) Yeah, that is actually a self-portrait of Greg. Greg (57:32.936) It was me all along. Sorry folks. I'm a deep one. Saul (57:33.365) Hehehehe kenric (57:37.516) But the print is amazing looking and he sent me the original. He did an actual watercolor. So he actually painted it and it's freaking awesome. And he sent me the original. There's a part of me that was like, I should put this on as a stretch goal for somebody. But then I was like, I just can't. It's going to end up getting framed to put on my wall. And then a guy out of the Philippines did a Greg (57:58.246) Right. kenric (58:05.016) noir style print that is like, he got kind of an homage to all the 1940s movies, the movie posters for like the Big Sleep and the Maltese Falcon and other ones. I have and have not and kind of did an homage to that. So it looks really cool with Frank and Pearl. And so we still have that. And then we have... a lot of just different packages, a lot of different digital rewards. A lot of people sent me copies of their books. So we got Monster Manador, number one, which is an awesome read. It really is by Stephen Prince. We got a Pablo the Gorilla. We got the Iron Xanthology, number one. These are all digital downloads that you get. And a house of... through of others quite a bit actually. So we also have the ability to get what we call a first 10. So cover A and cover B, we had a matching set, but those are gone. Those sold out the first day, which is great. We sold out the first day where the first 10 copies that come off the printing press are being pulled and a holographic special sticker that says first 10 is going to be Saul (59:18.264) Hehehe kenric (59:33.96) fixed to the cover. And there's only 10 copies of cover A and 10 copies of cover B that's going to have that. And so we offered five individually on cover A, five individually on cover B. And then we did a matching set where you get cover A and cover B. And you'll get one of 10, one of 10 on cover A and cover B, and two of 10, that kind of thing. And. Yeah, those sold out. Those are gone. But we still have the individuals. So if people want that, they can go there and get that. And then we also have like the everything. We have a goodie bag bundle, which has like a sealed bag with stickers and coasters and cover A and cover B, physical prints within the bag and all the prints and all the digital downloads. And so, yeah, there's a lot of different rewards that you can come in and. and still get, and we still have like a digital copy for four bucks, and then I think it's 10 bucks for cover A and 15 bucks for cover B. Saul (01:00:41.282) And let's say once the kickstarter is over, are they still going to be available or is it once the campaign is over? kenric (01:00:46.609) Mm-hmm. kenric (01:00:52.996) No, so the rewards won't be available, but the individual cover A and cover B will still be available because we're, everybody's been paid for their work, which is great. So all we're collecting now is a little bit of recop for my credit card, because it's in a lot of pain right now. And then the printing costs. And that's really what we're getting, the nitty gritty now is just the printing costs. Greg (01:01:10.833) Yeah. kenric (01:01:22.296) And so once we get through that, I'm hoping to print about 1,000 copies of cover A and about 200 of cover B. Because cover B, I want it to be a little more exclusive. And Greg (01:01:37.08) Making a club, I see, making a club. kenric (01:01:39.792) Yep. And then it'll be, hopefully we'll get some cons and then we'll have it available online to purchase and to order. Saul (01:01:54.414) What is the expectation for the future of the series? kenric (01:02:00.004) So it's a four issue limited run. So issue two is already written. Once this Kickstarter ends and we get going, then issue two will start being built, the art and the colors and the lettering and the editing and all that kind of stuff. Matter of fact, Greg, I need to send you issue two. I don't know if I sent. Greg (01:02:22.396) Oh yeah, you have nots to send it to me. You're a third man, oh my gosh. Like work. kenric (01:02:24.676) Yeah, and then, yeah, some issue three and four, there's some rewrites that need to happen on those. They're outlined, but I think I, because once you start writing out, so many things have changed and. Greg (01:02:39.188) Uh... yeah. kenric (01:02:41.484) So three and four need to be basically re-outlined a little bit and then written out. And then we'll see. After the four issues are done, we started an imprint called SV Spoilerverse Comics. So SV Comics. And we have five or six different projects already planned with outlines and stories getting ready to go. Greg (01:02:58.168) Mm-hmm. kenric (01:03:10.556) So this will be the first, this is actually the second series that's set because Johnny has Joan Lee only that he's been working on, but this is the first one that we're really pushing and we'll get through these four and then we'll see if there's a demand for more of Frank and Pearl and Alice, then we will definitely do more because it's a fun universe. It's really a lot of fun. Greg (01:03:35.24) see it oh yeah Saul (01:03:38.942) And you have to you have to read to be able to figure out where the baby comes in to play. kenric (01:03:43.82) Yeah, yeah, but that becomes apparent pretty quickly. So it's, and yeah, you'll be like, oh, and then you'll get it. You'll get the look who's talking feel, but then you'll be like, oh, now I get why it's not look who's talking at all. And then, yeah, it becomes apparent. Greg (01:03:49.85) Yeah. Saul (01:03:50.051) Yeah. Greg (01:04:01.08) The baby becomes a parent? What? How? That's immaculate. I don't get it. Saul (01:04:04.416) Hehehehehehehehe Saul (01:04:08.439) He's his own dad. kenric (01:04:08.673) You know what I almost did is I almost, actually you know what? Next time. No, next time. When we talk about issue two, well, I can give you the anecdote of, yeah, Jesus Christ and Frank, that's all. I'll just put that hint out there. Yeah, they're the same guy. But it's, yeah. So, but yeah, so four issues. Greg (01:04:12.742) What? Huh? Next time. Uh huh. Okay. Sounds good. Saul (01:04:27.031) Hehehehe Greg (01:04:27.04) Did the same guy. Ha ha ha. kenric (01:04:34.548) And then we'll go from there. And hopefully, I just want to have a nice, tight, complete story for the thing. And then in my mind, I want to leave it open to do more if we want. Saul (01:04:47.022) for shoes and then you're gonna collect them kenric (01:04:50.36) We'll do a trade paperback after four. So here's the deal. This is what, in my mind, is what I wanna do. We're doing issue one and then Kickstarter, then issue two, Kickstarter hopefully, issue one, Kickstarter hopefully recops some. I know I'm gonna be in the red the whole time, right? So I know issue one will hopefully recop some. Print, and that should give me the ability to pay to get issue two done. Saul (01:04:53.289) Awesome. kenric (01:05:18.636) I want to get everybody paid before I get into Kickstarter because I don't want anybody waiting on anything and then Issue two should do that for issue three issue three should do that for issue four and then issue four should shore up any Ongoing stuff that we're all done and then the trade paperback would be like maybe make a few ducats But probably not because it'll still be There'll be a bunch of stuff. I don't know that I'm supposed to do that I need to do so Greg (01:05:38.768) Uh-huh. Greg (01:05:46.328) It can happen man, I believe in you. You're doing it right now. kenric (01:05:49.992) Yeah. Then we put it into a script, and we sell the rights for a movie. Saul (01:05:55.498) There you go. Movie or a series? kenric (01:05:58.872) I don't know, what would be better? Both. Greg (01:05:59.737) Both. You do a limited series, a short run series, it turns into, oh, it's kicked off by a movie. So it's a movie, hour and a half. kenric (01:06:09.808) All I know is I will not give up my rights for my characters. And then licensing deals would be like, OK, but I get points on the back on everything. Saul (01:06:23.548) The the Amazon series can be nine episodes and every episode is one month inside the womb Just like a prequel Greg (01:06:23.625) Yeah. kenric (01:06:30.396) Yeah. It's the prequel. Oh, that's funny. That's wild. Greg (01:06:32.174) Oh my. Saul (01:06:36.258) Yeah. Saul (01:06:43.374) Anything else any other stories that I know you said you kind of said that there might be about four or five that you guys are I'm probably gonna put together but you for yourself kenric (01:06:51.44) Yeah, I mean, I'm not somebody that doesn't give away some things. I mean, we're working on one called Capone. Well, it's not called Capone, but it's around Capone. And so the idea is that Al Capone was not Al Capone like how we see him today. Al Capone was his mafia persona was a front. And what he was doing was hunting and killing demons the whole time. Greg (01:07:21.452) Hehehe kenric (01:07:21.908) And do you remember, I don't know how old you are Saul, but when I was a kid, I think I was 14, when Geraldo Rivera had Capone's vault and he had this huge special, do you remember this? Saul (01:07:22.036) Nice. Saul (01:07:34.63) Oh yeah. Yeah, nothing. kenric (01:07:38.936) No. Yeah, there's nothing in there. Correct. And but it was hilarious because it was live on TV. It was like three hours of him, you know, cutting back and forth. And then the dejection on his face. And it just kind of it became a part of Americana, right? People use it as Capone's fault, you know. So we were thinking, what if that vault was housed a bunch of demons? Greg (01:07:58.54) Mm-hmm. Heh heh heh. kenric (01:08:08.076) And that was where a cone was actually kind of containing like Ghostbusters, right? Yeah, it's containing all these demons. And when, when Geraldo opens the vault, he released all these demons. And so the concept is there's going to be one demon that, that possesses a girl. And this girl is like 13, 14 years old, but for something, something for with her. Saul (01:08:08.952) Oh. Saul (01:08:13.546) I was gonna say that, he's a little... Greg (01:08:14.62) Yeah, yeah. kenric (01:08:36.22) is not the same for the demon. So when the demon possesses her, her body, her mind, her is strong, that she basically traps the demon inside of her. And she doesn't even know that she has this ability, right? It just comes out because of this. And so then she becomes the next demon hunter, using the demon inside of her to hunt down the demons that have escaped from Al Capone's vault. And so we'll do... Yeah, the first... Saul (01:09:02.646) Alright, I wanna see this story. Greg (01:09:03.848) Yeah, you're not inside. I'm not inside with you. You're inside with me. Yeah. kenric (01:09:08.78) exactly. A Rorschach for you. So she so the whole concept is so the first book will be kind of a build up like half of it will be the build up of what Al Capone's doing and getting to that point and then that this is what's in my mind right now and then we'll write out the how everything's going but by the by the end of the first book or at least by the end of the first kenric (01:09:37.76) and she will be the one fighting the demons and Al Capone will be long dead, but it'll be a backdrop of everything that's going on and why. And I'm calling it, in my mind, I call it Capone's fault. So I came up with the story, I outlined it for Johnny. At the beginning, I was gonna have Johnny help me write this story here, the Supernatural Baby Detective, but I'm very, I'm an asshole, man. I get very protective of what I'm doing. And he was like, he read the first script. that I wrote and he's like, okay, I'm gonna make some changes. And I was like, nope, I can't. No, I can't do it. So I took it back. On the Al Capone Vault, I outlined everything. I said, okay, now you write the first draft and you get everything and then we'll pare it down from there, because then that way, I feel like I won't be this controlling freak when it comes. Greg (01:10:07.725) Hehehehe Greg (01:10:27.628) So the book will come, if it's in Johnny's hands, it'll be like 10 years from now. Saul (01:10:28.366) Can we have a? I'm sorry. kenric (01:10:31.632) Yeah, it could be. Who knows? It could be that guy. Greg (01:10:32.632) I'm just joking, I'm just joking. Saul (01:10:34.995) Can we have a demon kind of like, you better pay your taxes. Greg (01:10:41.869) Oh, yeah, yeah. Tax collecting demon. kenric (01:10:43.485) That would be funny. If what is us, the demon that finally got caponed. Saul (01:10:46.474) Well no, he's warning them. He's warning them so they won't get caught. Greg (01:10:48.336) Oh, oh yeah, pay your taxes. kenric (01:10:50.864) Hey, your taxes. kenric (01:10:54.78) So that's one. And then I have another one called, that's a highbrow sci-fi, where it deals with AI and humanity leaving the Earth due to the Earth is dead. And so we're searching for a new home. And all the humans are in pods as the AI is going, because it takes, you know. hundreds and if not millions of years to get through space. So this AI is becoming the mother of humanity, making sure and looking for a new planet. But during the concept of everything that goes on, the AI keeps finding planets, but they're inhabited. And at some point it needs to make a decision. And so it decides to invade a... planet that's inhabited by its Earthlings, its creatures. But inside the AI is very much like a matrix where the human race is going on about its business, living their life day to day. But they're plugged into this virtual reality to give them the sense of home and not be stuck in this space. Greg (01:11:59.276) Yeah. kenric (01:12:19.632) where the AI is taking care of everything. So inside the matrix, and I'm using the matrix so people have an understanding of the virtual reality. Inside that virtual reality, the AI plays a Earth invasion. And so the humans inside the machine, inside the spacecraft, it's been hundreds of thousands of years and they have, that first set that have set everything are long dead. And the AI has Greg (01:12:47.undefined) Uh-huh. kenric (01:12:49.708) over time, the AI has instigated a factor of them not remembering them going into space. So they feel like they're just living their life still on Earth, even though they're in these, all these different spacecrafts, searching for a new home. And so when the AI finds a habitable planet that could be for human life, decides, well, we need to clear the current inhabitants off of this. Greg (01:13:17.826) Right. kenric (01:13:17.964) And we're obviously the technological advanced enough to get there. So we're, we're the ones that have all the power over this other world. Yeah. And so inside the virtual, inside the virtual reality, the AI, um, does a whole thing where the aliens attack earth and do a, an invasion. And so the, so us as humans and say, yeah, I think we're being attacked. Saul (01:13:26.37) genocide. Greg (01:13:27.416) Thanks for watching! kenric (01:13:46.808) And so then it creates the story of we're not, you know, we're being attacked. Now we need to, we, we need to counter attack. And so there, so she starts to wake up, but now they think they're, that they're waking up in a time of war. So they're ready to fight. And so we attack this other, this other, um, planet. And then when, uh, one of our people get caught, you know, get captured and they start doing the, they start. Greg (01:13:54.007) Mm-hmm. Greg (01:14:03.318) Yeah. kenric (01:14:16.58) why are you attacking us, you know, after everything. And the pilot is like, you attacked us, you killed our planet, you blew up our planet. It's like, no, you're the invaders. And so the mind fuck starts from there. Greg (01:14:19.531) Uh-huh. Greg (01:14:30.601) Yeah. Greg (01:14:34.156) Hehehehe Saul (01:14:34.798) Hehehehehehe Greg (01:14:40.263) Uh... Saul (01:14:41.333) Nice. kenric (01:14:42.664) So we got a few things that are in the works. Yeah, I'm constantly coming up with dumbass stories. Greg (01:14:47.896) busy. I like it. Keep doing it. Saul (01:14:50.174) Yeah, I like it. Yeah. I want to see both of those. So next time you come on, I want to hear where you're at on those. kenric (01:14:53.233) Yeah. kenric (01:14:56.668) The next one is Capone. That's the one that we think. And then we have Writers of the West, Writer of the West, which is a, that one's gonna be a little while because we need to find a Native American that's willing to work with us on writing because we wanna make sure that we represent that correctly because it's, yeah, well, because it's gonna be during the Old West and it's gonna be during a time of, and just making sure that we just hit the right notes and that we don't. you know, not two old white guys telling you what it's going to be. And and I loved so I, you know, the Neverending Story came out in what, 1986, 87, somewhere around there. So I was like 12, 13 when it came out. Love that movie. I remember watching it. I remember crying when the horse dies in the swamp. And I always wanted to be like, I want to do something with that horse, you know? Greg (01:15:30.069) Yeah. Saul (01:15:30.123) Yeah. Saul (01:15:49.047) the press tours. kenric (01:15:55.652) So we made it where the horse dies, but it becomes like it's, yeah, and its soul is searching for a Treu. And it's going through history and going through different universes and different worlds looking for a Treu. And so when he, so when the horse comes to earth and he finds this little Native American girl. Greg (01:16:01.461) Check. Greg (01:16:13.816) Wow. Greg (01:16:19.113) you kenric (01:16:24.212) who is like an amazing horse rider and they bond and the horse starts thinking, this could be the soul of a Treu. And then we have it to where the horse and her can dream talk. So when she's sleeping at night and he's there, they can start to talk with each other. But we don't know if the horse, you don't know if the horse, for her, she doesn't know if the horse is good or evil or what. She has no idea because it's like, Greg (01:16:32.762) Uh. Greg (01:16:44.708) Hmm. Greg (01:16:51.401) Oh no. kenric (01:16:53.876) to her, it's like this demon thing that is communicating with her. And it's, you know, it's scary. But we wanted to have it to where, um, they're forced to be alone and they have to travel the landscape and we're going to have it kind of like a Kung Fu, you know, where she's going from town to town and different things are happening and her and her horse, um, things. And in my mind, yeah, of course. And I want the horse to be a trey's horse, but there's a part of me is like, can we do that? I mean, I don't know if that, you know, Greg (01:16:59.297) Yeah. Greg (01:17:09.612) Hmm. Greg (01:17:15.532) of course. Her inner horse, of course. kenric (01:17:23.4) We'll have to change it up and be do something different. Yeah, but it'll be for me. It'll be a tray's horse, god damn it. That's called Riders of the West. Saul (01:17:27.018) Make it a Pegasus. Greg (01:17:28.576) Yeah. Oh, dang. Saul (01:17:32.354) Hehehe Greg (01:17:36.821) I like it. kenric (01:17:38.972) Yeah. And then Johnny has quite a few. Well, actually, that one, Johnny and I came up together on a podcast. And we wrote the whole thing. We outlined the whole thing on the podcast. Yeah. Greg (01:17:44.13) Yeah. Ha! Greg (01:17:50.34) Oh my gosh, yeah? That's funny. Saul (01:17:53.254) Remind me to go over my idea for a necklace cage style story. kenric (01:18:01.6) involved bees. Bees! Greg (01:18:04.532) Is it the one where he's on fire with bees? Like, fire bees? Saul (01:18:04.629) It could. So my pitch would be to have a story where all of Nicolas Cage's characters. were real in some sort of like universe like a multiverse kind of thing and then they're all they're all like all the characters are considered like iconic characters and all that versus the characters that everyone hates like the like the good ones are trying to stop them from making the bad characters kenric (01:18:24.688) Yeah, yeah, I like it. kenric (01:18:35.805) Yeah. Greg (01:18:36.053) Uh-huh. Saul (01:18:42.647) You know what I mean? Greg (01:18:43.543) Yeah. kenric (01:18:43.752) Yeah, I love it. That's genius. Saul (01:18:46.89) That's like half of his movies and versus his other half of his movies kenric (01:18:50.472) Oh my god, I bet he would make that if he needs to. Saul (01:18:53.41) I know that's the thing is like I feel like he would. Didn't he come out in a movie because his bodyguard or something like that? Like talk to him about it or something like that. Greg (01:18:55.884) over like this. kenric (01:19:03.7) I don't know. I feel like he would be more... I know he's a big old comic book nerd. Saul (01:19:06.07) I think that was a movie that made it sound like that. He is. Greg (01:19:10.666) Mm-hmm. It sounds like a really interesting concept for... kenric (01:19:12.849) Test time. Saul (01:19:13.853) I'll trick him by saying that it's Superman. kenric (01:19:15.54) It's like being John Malkovich. Greg (01:19:17.524) Yeah, yeah. Oh, you should watch it. Or have you seen everything? I got it right here. Yeah, everything, yeah, everything. Yeah, oh, you should watch it. You should watch it because elementally, it's kind of, it's not exactly what you're talking about, but it's, yeah, yeah. Saul (01:19:18.73) I never actually watched that one. kenric (01:19:21.192) Oh, that's a... Yeah, that's a crazy... Oh no! Saul (01:19:28.862) Everybody loves Rehman? I have not seen that one. kenric (01:19:28.912) everything over all at once. Oh wait, I haven't watched it yet. I want to watch it. kenric (01:19:43.136) When I heard that it has data from the Goonies, I was like, I am so watching it. And then I watched an interview with them and it almost made me cry. Greg (01:19:50.16) Oh, you watch the movie and you're like, oh man, it's really, I was like, I'm glad I bought it. You know, and it's definitely something that I enjoy. Yeah. kenric (01:19:58.6) Yeah. kenric (01:20:02.524) Well, it's just his journey. That guy's journey to get to that point was like, holy crap, I didn't know he like, I didn't know that he just kind of just, like Goonies was like his high point. And then like nobody wanted to hire him after that basically because just wanted him to be data or short round. Greg (01:20:20.692) Yeah, what's nuts is like he really does in this movie because it's very multiple characters doing multiple things from different universes. He shows a lot of range in it. So it's like, I mean, every character, everybody portraying things. Yeah, yeah. I felt like I'm watching it and I'm like, yeah, no, that's a, he's definitely. And then just some of the things that he does in the main character, just like... kenric (01:20:35.932) He deserved that Academy Award. Yeah, that's awesome. Greg (01:20:49.204) Yeah, how could you not want this guy as a friend? He's just like, cause you watch him and you're like, how much of him is this real because of that? But yeah, I could see a Nicolas Cage movie where Nicolas Cage is fighting Nicolas Cage. This is how it died. I'm watching. kenric (01:20:54.312) Yeah. kenric (01:21:07.668) Just trying to hold back face off. No, no! Saul (01:21:10.518) There you go. Greg (01:21:13.389) I know it's a huge success, but we can't do it! Saul (01:21:14.87) It'd be Conair versus Faceoff. Even though Conair's one of the old, huh? I don't know, even though it's one of the bad ones, it's technically one of the ones I love. kenric (01:21:17.928) Conair is so good. I love Conair. Greg (01:21:21.419) Yeah. Greg (01:21:25.705) Yeah, yeah. kenric (01:21:25.756) Yeah, it's so bad, it's good. Saul (01:21:27.661) Yeah, yeah. kenric (01:21:30.492) I mean, it's deep-bashimi, man. Greg (01:21:32.536) It's got Freak from Hackers in it. Saul (01:21:33.067) Hehehe Well, I guess I would have to, I mean, I'm pretty sure I would have to change the character and the movies and all that, but it can always be like references to that. But I wonder if it'd be just the main character or if it would be the whole world that's coming out and fighting. Like you have Steve Buscemi as that psycho killer versus Don Travolta and his people. Greg (01:21:45.186) Mm-hmm. kenric (01:21:57.532) I cook yellow. Yeah. Greg (01:21:59.95) Yeah, different elements from those different worlds popping in. Saul (01:22:02.24) Yeah, yeah. kenric (01:22:03.603) They're all fighting together. Saul (01:22:09.606) But yeah, is there anything else that we want to just quickly talk about before we wrap up? Greg (01:22:11.142) Oh dude. kenric (01:22:15.388) I just go to SBDComic.com and I'll send you right, yeah, SBDComic.com. I'll send you right to the Kickstarter. Saul (01:22:19.716) SPD coming up. Greg (01:22:25.473) right to it. Saul (01:22:25.85) And make sure to give me all those links. I'll make sure to put it in the description. And yeah, like Kenrick said, hopefully we're still on the network. So you often hear us in the same network. We got fired earlier in the. kenric (01:22:36.349) You are definitely still on the network. Greg (01:22:37.63) Oh my god, we got fired! At the same time we boosted- in the podcast we boosted his- his chronic. kenric (01:22:43.716) Ha! Saul (01:22:44.47) He's going to hang up and then be like, uh, John, I, I might've let the cat out of the bag. kenric (01:22:49.568) Yeah, it's actually made it easier now. Now you don't have to worry about it. Nice thing is you don't have to pay for hosting at all. How nice is that? Greg (01:22:57.94) Wow. Jeez. So what are we gonna do? Homeless. kenric (01:23:06.496) Greg told me that you were quitting. Greg (01:23:10.772) I know never. Saul (01:23:14.238) No, he hasn't let that cat out of the bag. No, I'm gonna run. Yeah, no, that's why I tell him, you know, Greg is not here because he's doing another podcast or something. kenric (01:23:15.944) to Greg's on like 80 different podcasts every time. kenric (01:23:26.502) He's doing this. He's doing that. Now he's eating chicken for two. He's got starter light. Saul (01:23:27.79) But, but like I said. Greg (01:23:30.424) this. Saul (01:23:33.118) There you go. He's gotta feed me now. Greg (01:23:34.045) No! Saul (01:23:40.67) Alright guys, well, my pleasure, my pleasure. Want to go ahead and thank you for coming on and especially at 6.30 in the morning over there and on your side of the country. kenric (01:23:41.38) Well, thank you, Saul. I really appreciate you having me on. kenric (01:23:53.012) It's all good. It was easy. I was up at five. I did, I woke up at five and I was like, oh, what time is it? I'm like, oh, it's five. All right. Yeah. Saul (01:23:58.057) So Saul (01:24:02.558) And Greg got his five minutes of sleep. Greg (01:24:04.82) Yeah, no. Oh my, my alarm went off. Oh my, I'm gonna feed the dogs and jump on this podcast, make a cup of coffee and go. Oh my. Sleep, who needs it? Overrated. kenric (01:24:11.813) Oh my. Let's go. Saul (01:24:20.17) But okay, we'll go ahead and leave it there. We'll want to get you back next time for issue two and for Capone's Vault or whatever ends up being called. So yeah, we'll be looking for those. And guys, like I said, go ahead and back the project. If for whatever reason you can't back it, go ahead and share the link because that's the second best way to back a project is sharing it so that other people can see it, but also I guess it... kenric (01:24:28.53) Yeah. Saul (01:24:49.538) spikes up the visibility of the project. So yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Kenirk, for coming on and we'll see you guys next time here on From the Group. kenric (01:24:51.144) Yep. Yeah, it helps the algorithm, that's for sure. Greg (01:24:51.483) Yeah, boost it. kenric (01:24:56.617) Thank you. Greg (01:25:00.664) Bye. kenric (01:25:00.692) Bye bye.